Unlike what I suspect from a lot of people here, I actually have lots of experience noticing and being around Omegas due to two circumstances in my life putting them in my sphere. Also unlike what I suspect from most here, I actually was able to get along with both quite well and observe more about them than most others cared to.
So when I push back from the other commenters and say that I understand what you're describing when you say that you'd strongly prefer to leave hope for a marital future behind, I really mean it. I feel like most people simply can't comprehend just how staggeringly difficult something like achieving success with a woman 7+ would seem for you.
Note, I'm not saying that you shouldn't pursue this. I'm simply empathizing and actually listening and believing what you're saying. People should try doing that more often.
Additionally, from my experience with Omegas, including one more on the indifferent rather than repulsive side, I can add my two cents for the other readers that most people simply can't comprehend what living with that level of social isolation is like. Let alone how daunting success with a 7+ is to consider. Going from having any conversations at all to considering talking to a 7+ isn't a small matter.
All that being said, I would say only one thing additionally. I still second the commenter above when I say that you never know what God has in store for you. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is a God of miracles. With the strength from Jesus Christ, all things can be possible. The scriptures teach us to multiply and replenish the earth. Maybe you would find that, as you get closer to God and learn to recognize His will for you, He will teach you that He intends to raise you from the dust and arrange the circumstances for marriage to be possible for you.
But this is not really my business because I'm not you. It is between you and God alone.
In any case, Godspeed with all of the efforts you are making!
You bring up an important point. It would indeed be hard. When confronted with that reality, my reaction is basically "eh, its probably never going to happen anyways so who cares." There is no sinking into sexual anxiety or anguish though. At most, my ego gets hurt at the idea that some men can do something that I can't. There is a real lack of intrinsic motivation or drive. Ultimately, the big issue is not even not being able to do it, its not being able to muster up the motivation or energy even if I could. The fact that it is especially hard to land 7+ women makes it worse.
It is true, many people can't empathize with the social isolation. Part of what makes it bareable though is being able to get lost in your private pursuits and forget about others. I only really think of women or sex when other people bring it up because of this.
God did say be fruitful and multiply, but Paul said it would be better not to be married like him. Perhaps that was just Paul's opinion, who knows; its kind of confusing. But you are right, it is important to keep an open mind on these things.
I'm sure you'll figure it out. Even if that means not figuring it out in this life. I have heard some teaching on some scriptures that might bring peace to you. The first is Jesus speaking in Matthew 19:11-12:
"11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."
To me, this is a message of hope to Christians who, for whatever reason, feel that marriage is not possible for them. You have plenty of good you can do for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
Another very uplifting scripture is Isaiah 56: 3-5:
"3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off."
God is good. And He will make right all of the injustices of this life in the next. If it indeed is the case that you are never able to marry, you can still serve God and He will reward you in the next life. I find that promise in Isaiah particularly beautiful.
You're clearly not indifferent towards women if you're willing "to make the effort" for an 8+woman.
This SSH-stuff is great and useful, but it only goes so far, especially regarding self-improvement. At some point there will be only one person who can help you: Jesus Christ
It seems you've reached that point, because saying "I'm indifferent to women, but I'd pursue a really pretty one" is nonsense. And it doesn't make it any less nonsensical by playing the victim-card: "I'm an OMEGA! I'm allowed do that!"
I cannot stress enough how life-changing it is for a man to begin following the Son of God!
To clarify, it is not that I am completely indifferent - that would be asexuality. Rather, the very idea of living with a woman for the rest of my life does not excite me. There indifference is with most women in general, I just don't feel anything around them usually. I do not feel like I just need to be with a woman or some part of me is missing. So when people suggest hooking up with anyone below a 7, not only does it sound unappealing, it sounds downright appalling. There is no contradiction nor victimization at play. Very attractive women are still attractive. Moreover, where as other men would not be able to contain their enthusiasm if they landed a 7-10, my reaction would be considerably less enthused. It would feel good, but I would not be anywhere near as enthused as most SSH profiles.
As far as self-improvement goes, I cover metascripting which is based on Christian principles.
"Than have to hook up with a 6" Oof, this one hit hard as I would imagine a 6 would be at least 3 levels higher than an Omega male equivalent. As a Delta with both sexually successful and unsuccessful Omega acquaintances, anything 4 or above would be considered a towering success. A 6 would be an absolute blessing from the Heavens themselves for an Omega, no?
It would be in most cases. The indiffernece still applies though. This is the exact opposite problem most men face, where the overflowing of concern turns off women. If it were time to actually get a relationship, they would have to be really attractive for me to do something. Even then the idea of giving up single life is quite a turn off. The OMEGA can enjoy a great deal of freedom due to his isolation.
The difference between the real and the fantastical is huge. You might have no motivation to go chase a 6, but if by some fluke you were thrown together with a 5 and had chemistry, you would probably be happy.
I didn't date or make much effort to date from 16-22 when I met my wife online. Didn't have anyone I was interested in at all in college because I didn't socialize with any women. Not as apathetic as you, but I understand the lack of interest in having a social life which leads to romance.
Its not so much lack of an interest in a social life, but lack of interest in most women specifically. A social life would be great - marriage not so much, hence why it has taken me so long to address it. As far as 5's go, they just aren't attractive enough to bridge the indifference gap. Its important to note my perception is not being skewed by pornography or anything like that. I really only have exposure to real women.
Would a 6 who by nature behaves in a way that accidentally reprograms you too see her as really attractive be worth it? Would a 6 who reprograms you on purpose by simulating those behaviors be worth it?
How would you feel if a man started teaching women to identify the men that can be reprogrammed and how to reprogram them if you were among the reprogrammable?
Where I live its rare to ever see a White, and then when you do, libtard. White Genocide has more to do with this stuff than Boomers like Vox want to admit. The SSH is just another "blame men" and blame the younger generations for what you boomers did type of thing. Integrated schools made you an omega because you don't find those gross brown females attractive.
Me being an OMEGA is much more a product of negative childhood experiences. It was a reality that was unfolding for me by the time I was transitioning from 6th to 7th grade and the seeds had been planted long before that. I am white and all of the schools I attended were white, so demographics were not really a much of a negative factor.
You gotta unwind a little. But you make a good point. If our host happens to live in a place where most people aren't genetically similar to him, this will reduce mutual attractiveness and friendship, even when they're the same race. For slow-life-history strategists, genetic similarity is a big deal when it comes to passing your genes on.
The schools I attended were white and I am white as well. The lessened attraction to women is most likely a product of bad childhood experiences more than anything else.
Coming from a perspective that relates to the author completely, you miss the point. Men like us lack the drive and the care to even bother trying to pursue women in general, due to some childhood trauma or genetic fault, which has created a fear or has short circuited our being into not bothering to try. Because I personally have experienced negative consequences with my interactions with my mother and late sister, the drive within me isn't there, it's like being born with a missing limb. Or having your foreskin taken as an infant, you don't know what it's like to have one. The lust within me is still present and drives me to women somewhat but the foundation isnt there.
I am not sure if Redbeard would agree but the way I would crudely explain it is we might experience 7-10s as just good enough to feel content whereas other men would be beyond enthusiasm. With everyone else below that, indifference or repulsion completely rules them out.
I think it is a matter of lacking romantic attraction. The idea of having chemistry with a woman and liking her personality seems pretty foreign to me. Besides stuff like her being agreeable, loyal (enough), and generally pleasant. I don't believe in the "my wife is my best friend" stuff. There are things I would want out of a marriage like kids, but everything else isn't very appealing. Its not so much a lack of experience. Some men just have the drive and just really need a woman in their life to feel fulfilled.
Unlike what I suspect from a lot of people here, I actually have lots of experience noticing and being around Omegas due to two circumstances in my life putting them in my sphere. Also unlike what I suspect from most here, I actually was able to get along with both quite well and observe more about them than most others cared to.
So when I push back from the other commenters and say that I understand what you're describing when you say that you'd strongly prefer to leave hope for a marital future behind, I really mean it. I feel like most people simply can't comprehend just how staggeringly difficult something like achieving success with a woman 7+ would seem for you.
Note, I'm not saying that you shouldn't pursue this. I'm simply empathizing and actually listening and believing what you're saying. People should try doing that more often.
Additionally, from my experience with Omegas, including one more on the indifferent rather than repulsive side, I can add my two cents for the other readers that most people simply can't comprehend what living with that level of social isolation is like. Let alone how daunting success with a 7+ is to consider. Going from having any conversations at all to considering talking to a 7+ isn't a small matter.
All that being said, I would say only one thing additionally. I still second the commenter above when I say that you never know what God has in store for you. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is a God of miracles. With the strength from Jesus Christ, all things can be possible. The scriptures teach us to multiply and replenish the earth. Maybe you would find that, as you get closer to God and learn to recognize His will for you, He will teach you that He intends to raise you from the dust and arrange the circumstances for marriage to be possible for you.
But this is not really my business because I'm not you. It is between you and God alone.
In any case, Godspeed with all of the efforts you are making!
You bring up an important point. It would indeed be hard. When confronted with that reality, my reaction is basically "eh, its probably never going to happen anyways so who cares." There is no sinking into sexual anxiety or anguish though. At most, my ego gets hurt at the idea that some men can do something that I can't. There is a real lack of intrinsic motivation or drive. Ultimately, the big issue is not even not being able to do it, its not being able to muster up the motivation or energy even if I could. The fact that it is especially hard to land 7+ women makes it worse.
It is true, many people can't empathize with the social isolation. Part of what makes it bareable though is being able to get lost in your private pursuits and forget about others. I only really think of women or sex when other people bring it up because of this.
God did say be fruitful and multiply, but Paul said it would be better not to be married like him. Perhaps that was just Paul's opinion, who knows; its kind of confusing. But you are right, it is important to keep an open mind on these things.
I'm sure you'll figure it out. Even if that means not figuring it out in this life. I have heard some teaching on some scriptures that might bring peace to you. The first is Jesus speaking in Matthew 19:11-12:
"11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."
To me, this is a message of hope to Christians who, for whatever reason, feel that marriage is not possible for them. You have plenty of good you can do for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
Another very uplifting scripture is Isaiah 56: 3-5:
"3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off."
God is good. And He will make right all of the injustices of this life in the next. If it indeed is the case that you are never able to marry, you can still serve God and He will reward you in the next life. I find that promise in Isaiah particularly beautiful.
Those verses are encouraging, thank you.
You're welcome.
You're clearly not indifferent towards women if you're willing "to make the effort" for an 8+woman.
This SSH-stuff is great and useful, but it only goes so far, especially regarding self-improvement. At some point there will be only one person who can help you: Jesus Christ
It seems you've reached that point, because saying "I'm indifferent to women, but I'd pursue a really pretty one" is nonsense. And it doesn't make it any less nonsensical by playing the victim-card: "I'm an OMEGA! I'm allowed do that!"
I cannot stress enough how life-changing it is for a man to begin following the Son of God!
To clarify, it is not that I am completely indifferent - that would be asexuality. Rather, the very idea of living with a woman for the rest of my life does not excite me. There indifference is with most women in general, I just don't feel anything around them usually. I do not feel like I just need to be with a woman or some part of me is missing. So when people suggest hooking up with anyone below a 7, not only does it sound unappealing, it sounds downright appalling. There is no contradiction nor victimization at play. Very attractive women are still attractive. Moreover, where as other men would not be able to contain their enthusiasm if they landed a 7-10, my reaction would be considerably less enthused. It would feel good, but I would not be anywhere near as enthused as most SSH profiles.
As far as self-improvement goes, I cover metascripting which is based on Christian principles.
"Than have to hook up with a 6" Oof, this one hit hard as I would imagine a 6 would be at least 3 levels higher than an Omega male equivalent. As a Delta with both sexually successful and unsuccessful Omega acquaintances, anything 4 or above would be considered a towering success. A 6 would be an absolute blessing from the Heavens themselves for an Omega, no?
It would be in most cases. The indiffernece still applies though. This is the exact opposite problem most men face, where the overflowing of concern turns off women. If it were time to actually get a relationship, they would have to be really attractive for me to do something. Even then the idea of giving up single life is quite a turn off. The OMEGA can enjoy a great deal of freedom due to his isolation.
The difference between the real and the fantastical is huge. You might have no motivation to go chase a 6, but if by some fluke you were thrown together with a 5 and had chemistry, you would probably be happy.
I didn't date or make much effort to date from 16-22 when I met my wife online. Didn't have anyone I was interested in at all in college because I didn't socialize with any women. Not as apathetic as you, but I understand the lack of interest in having a social life which leads to romance.
Its not so much lack of an interest in a social life, but lack of interest in most women specifically. A social life would be great - marriage not so much, hence why it has taken me so long to address it. As far as 5's go, they just aren't attractive enough to bridge the indifference gap. Its important to note my perception is not being skewed by pornography or anything like that. I really only have exposure to real women.
Would a 6 who by nature behaves in a way that accidentally reprograms you too see her as really attractive be worth it? Would a 6 who reprograms you on purpose by simulating those behaviors be worth it?
How would you feel if a man started teaching women to identify the men that can be reprogrammed and how to reprogram them if you were among the reprogrammable?
You would have to clarify what exactly you mean by "re-program".
Where I live its rare to ever see a White, and then when you do, libtard. White Genocide has more to do with this stuff than Boomers like Vox want to admit. The SSH is just another "blame men" and blame the younger generations for what you boomers did type of thing. Integrated schools made you an omega because you don't find those gross brown females attractive.
Me being an OMEGA is much more a product of negative childhood experiences. It was a reality that was unfolding for me by the time I was transitioning from 6th to 7th grade and the seeds had been planted long before that. I am white and all of the schools I attended were white, so demographics were not really a much of a negative factor.
You gotta unwind a little. But you make a good point. If our host happens to live in a place where most people aren't genetically similar to him, this will reduce mutual attractiveness and friendship, even when they're the same race. For slow-life-history strategists, genetic similarity is a big deal when it comes to passing your genes on.
The schools I attended were white and I am white as well. The lessened attraction to women is most likely a product of bad childhood experiences more than anything else.
Coming from a perspective that relates to the author completely, you miss the point. Men like us lack the drive and the care to even bother trying to pursue women in general, due to some childhood trauma or genetic fault, which has created a fear or has short circuited our being into not bothering to try. Because I personally have experienced negative consequences with my interactions with my mother and late sister, the drive within me isn't there, it's like being born with a missing limb. Or having your foreskin taken as an infant, you don't know what it's like to have one. The lust within me is still present and drives me to women somewhat but the foundation isnt there.
I am not sure if Redbeard would agree but the way I would crudely explain it is we might experience 7-10s as just good enough to feel content whereas other men would be beyond enthusiasm. With everyone else below that, indifference or repulsion completely rules them out.
I think it is a matter of lacking romantic attraction. The idea of having chemistry with a woman and liking her personality seems pretty foreign to me. Besides stuff like her being agreeable, loyal (enough), and generally pleasant. I don't believe in the "my wife is my best friend" stuff. There are things I would want out of a marriage like kids, but everything else isn't very appealing. Its not so much a lack of experience. Some men just have the drive and just really need a woman in their life to feel fulfilled.